Where insurance
finally clicks.

Mack and Mia use analogies, memorable examples, and conversations about claims, underwriting, and coverage to make complex insurance concepts easier to apply. One episode might compare an insuring agreement to a nightclub bouncer checking a list; another might follow a claim from the first report through the coverage decision.

The Deep Dive extends Erik Leeming’s teaching approach beyond the classroom. The library includes more than 50 episodes, from focused 15-minute sessions to discussions lasting over an hour.

Ready to go deeper? Explore a sample episode below. To bring the full Deep Dive library into your agency’s training program, contact us.

A quick note from Mack & Mia:

If you’ve ever found yourself reading a policy and thinking, “There has to be a better way to understand this…” — you’re in the right place.

Erik has worked with us extensively, building and shaping the voice of The Deep Dive to break things down in a way that makes sense - using real-world examples, relatable comparisons, and those moments where you find yourself saying, “Wait… that finally clicked.”

Whether you’re here for a quick insight or a full deep dive (pun intended), we’re glad you’re here. And as we like to say…

Let’s unpack this.

The Deep Dive Podcasts with Mack and Mia

Welcome to The Deep Dive Podcasts — where real insurance understanding begins.

In today’s evolving workplace, employment-related lawsuits are no longer limited to obvious HR missteps—they’re embedded in everyday operations, technology, and human interaction.

This Deep Dive breaks down the core mechanics of Employment Practices Liability Insurance (EPLI) and why it remains one of the most critical—and often overlooked—coverage gaps in commercial insurance.

Using real carrier and ISO policy language, along with current claims data and legal trends, we examine how EPLI responds when a claim hits. You’ll gain clarity on who qualifies as an “employee,” how coverage can extend to contractors and executives, and how internal contracts and indemnification language directly impact coverage outcomes.

We focus on the four primary drivers of EPLI claims—wrongful termination, retaliation, discrimination, and harassment—and how they play out in real-world scenarios, often in ways business owners don’t anticipate.

We also address emerging exposures, including AI-driven hiring decisions, shifting workplace expectations, pay transparency laws, and the growing complexity of contractor classification.

Most importantly, this session reframes EPLI for what it is: a financial defense mechanism against the unpredictable risks of human behavior in the workplace.

Designed for agents, producers, and account managers, this Deep Dive helps you move beyond selling coverage and into diagnosing real client vulnerabilities—so you can lead more confident, informed, and high-value conversations.